18 sep 2011

Interview to « Milky Way Social Revolution »

Submitted by Anonyme (non vérifié)

MWSR: What is the proletarian conception of the universe ?

C-I: This is a very important question; basically, we see it as the key of our ideology, our science, exactly like Lenin, Stalin and Mao Zedong did.

When people think of marxism and are not really aware of it, they believe that it only consists in the conceptions of Karl Marx. In this, they forget the works of his friend Friedrich Engels, and in particular his understanding of dialectic of nature.

Lenin and Stalin were very aware of the central aspect of this teaching, as was of course Mao Zedong. Gonzalo of the Communist Party of Peru (PCP) was also aware of it. The program of the PCP explain in this just way our scientific conception of the world:
« Contradiction as the only fundamental law of the incessant transformation of eternal matter. »

This is the proletarian conception of the universe. Matter is eternal, and matter goes with movement. Transformation is so incessant and so, communism is inevitable. Real revolutionary parties upholds this working class understanding of matter and its movement.

MWSR: Is it relevant today for proletarians to think about « intelligent life » beyond our planet?

C-I: Well, this question can easily be answered, as Marx taught us that humanity only asks itself questions for which it can have answers.

It is logical that, when communism is the main question on our planet, the question of « intelligent life » on others planet shows itself up, as a mirror. Because communism means that humanity becomes intelligent on all fields and all levels.

What we do mean by that? That communism demands from humanity a totally new relationship to the others living beings on Earth. This is the logical consequence of considering Earth as a biosphere, term first used in 1926 by the great soviet thinker Vernadsky.

Vernadsky is the real founder of ecology. He understood that our planet is the consequence of a long process of transformation of matter, and so paved the way for geochemistry and biogeochemistry. In considering the Earth, not as a « big stone » but as a biosphere, then we under­stand that life is the product of matter in dialectical movement. From that point on, we begin to be a real « intelligent life. »

Being an « intelligent life » gives us the duty of protect the biosphere, with all his living beings, and also the nature itself, recognizing that human cul­ture is the dialectical product of nature, of matter. As a consequence of that, it is totally relevant to think that in the universe, the same process or similar process of chemical transformation brought life to develop itself, giving birth to « intelligent life. »

MWSR: Is Communism universal ?

C-I: Yes. Communism is universal because contradiction is the law of matter. Anywhere in the universe, matter transforms itself following this law.

Of course, matter can differ on the chemical quantitative level in some parts of the universe, and so the dialectal process of transformation will bring some kind of different results as on our planet. But the tendency can only be the same. In fact, in the word « universal » we have the word « universe » and we have to understand in a materialist way Hegel »s sentence that says that « All that is real is rational; and all that is rational is real. » The evolution of matter is logical, it follows the law of contradiction, and so it tends to communism… In all the universe.

Therefore, we think that there must be a study and a evaluation of the last development of science, especially the « string theory » which affirms that there is a « multiverse » i. e. multiples universes. To be materialist is to understand dialectical movement in the most scientific way. And here, we want to stress that our conception has some great precursors, that could not understand fully the movement of matter (and its nature) because of the conditions of their time. We think of Anaxagoras and Heraclitus, but also of Epicurus, Lucretius and Spinoza.

Their conceptions were not proletarian, and so not completely materialist. But they are from great value in the history of humanity and in the understanding of communism and his universal nature.

MWSR: Is it Communism the ultimate social organization here in our planet and elsewhere in the universe ?

C-I: The answer is yes, but there is a need to explain it, as we can maybe already understand two main aspects of communism.

The first aspect is that there will be no contradiction between intellectual and manual labor, and no contradiction between cities and countryside. Life on the communist planet will be pacific, full of cooperation (and not of competition), without any domination or exploitation, without any killing.

Human beings will live as artists and producers, accepting life as it is, like Epicurus, Lucretius and Spinoza did. Nature will take back his rights after having being hurt by the capitalist mode of production. William Morris » News from Nowhere is here a classical and interesting utopia. This aspect we can be sure of.

The second aspect is much more complicated, and we »re in our situation far away from understanding it, unless through literature and science-fiction, with all their limits. The reason for that is that we do not live in a communist society.

Let »s take the most famous example: Sci-Fi writer Isaac Asimov who imagined the future in numerous books, forming an huge saga. Let »s resume it to understand the value of it. In the future, the Earth has been transformed in a world of hierarchy and exploitation, through the destruction of the ecosystems. Some parts of humanity develop the robots and go into space colonization.

There are then different living styles developed and there is a lot of confrontations about humanity »s identity. The main question is the use or not of robots to live in a much better way, in total comfort and without working.

Finally, human beings reject robots because they want to work and change themselves through work (a classic hegelian – marxist thought). At the end of this sci-fi saga, humanity merges with all living beings and the matter of the Earth itself, turning into « Gaïa », a conscious planet… And process to merge with the universe into « Galaxia » (and we can note that in some novels with geochemistry »s importance there are characters named Vernadsky).

About that, we can not be sure at all. This is not a scientific analysis, merely an Sci-Fi utopia. We can be sure that humanity will live in peace in the biosphere, and protect it (for example against threats like meteorite etc.). What movement will come afterwards, we can not know already.

MWSR: If tomorrow « intelligent life » is discovered beyond our solar system, what impact this discovery could have in our world today ?

C-I: Well, when we know that the Vatican has an important observatory and even a priest to convert intelligent life from outer space, we can think of how the conservative and idealist thinkers are really afraid of what could damage their domination.

« Intelligent life » would be like a mirror, showing humanity »s errors (this is already a classical Sci-Fi theme in movies like 2010: The Year We Make Contact, Abyss, etc.). But here in a dialectical way, we think that the understanding of the biosphere and of the value for itself of living beings on Earth would have the same impact… Or better said: will have.

The ecological crisis that capitalism has given birth to is gonna bring humanity what it lacks to be materialist on all level, through proletariat understanding fully its historical tasks. To answer more directly to the question, as communism is universal, the discovering of others living beings in the universe is only a question of chemical combination, and the probability is that high that is certain.

So, when tomorrow « intelligent life » is discovered beyond our solar system, humanity will have a much better overview of the evolution of matter, its dialectical path. This will be a huge step in the understanding of matter… and how we are, as human beings, matter, thinking matter.